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A,B,C: Vieux Barbet Français

H: history
K: for George Orwell and the Old Barbet!
M: measure
S: standard
A: Authentic Barbet or Vieux Barbet Français
B: Barbet Moderne, son histoire depuis 1980
B: Breeding, studs and the likes!
B: blogs to keep up with
B:Bibliography and links
Barbet heads, eyes and noses?
Barbets and other water dogs...
Barbets en Bresse, France
Breeding rules: FCI
C: conversion table
C:Crossbreeding R Triquet
Color genetics
Diversité génétique d'une race rare
E: Education
F: FAULTS according to the standard
F:Facts and fallacies about the Barbet
G: Georgy spiritual father of the Barbet
G: Griffon Barbet
H: Health matters
H: Hipscore Dysplasia
H: history Barbet Moderne
Health reference websites: hips etc
I: Inbreeding
K: Kennel blindness
L: Lexicologie Barbet
L: letter from the President of the SCC as proof-preuve
L:LOF Barbets since the beginning
M: breeders' meeting 2009
P: Poodle History Project
P: Poodle history
P: Purest
P: poodle health registry
P:Pedigree databases updated 5/11
P:Photos to depict the standard
Psychological warfare or breed rape? 0411
R: Rare or nearly extinct breeds
Radio des hanches: ce qu'il faut faire avec la radio officielle 3/11
Rassemblement: Meeting Barbets 2012 French& English
S: Shopping!
S: Study of our pedigrees- Spanish Water Dog
S: study of our pedigrees - Poodles
S: study of our pedigrees- Portuguese water dogs
S:Selection grid/Grille de Sélection
old club site


Old Lines and new crosses

Barbet x Irish Water Spaniel
Barbet/ Irish Water Spaniel
Barbonus: line 4 fawn
Bloodline 1: Le Houelleur (de Floirac)
History, shepherds and Barbets
In French, on Pronatura: 3 bloodlines
Portuguese water dog and pedigree database
Spanish Water Dog line and pedigree database
Wycliffe and the Barbet modern: poodle database
bb x swd


Videos Galore

A pup of Colleen's in Scandinavia
B: Barbets live and in colors!
Caya and the ocean
Disco and Rocket
Eho Santiano in the Netherlands
Flashdance and her mirabelle de Savoie...
From Cressat, France
Le Barbet au CGA 2011
My 3 males together
Plum picker uppers!
Yatzie and my girls!


Working Barbets

Barbet de chasse: Malher
Bibiche di Barbochos de Reiau de Prouvenco
Booly Wooly
Crotté comme un Barbet: Lucrezia Borgia
Détails du BTE/BCE
Le travail à l'eau
My Barbets at work: a sampling
Mère et fils: duck duo!
Poppenspaler's Vincacao
Thelma de la perte aux loups
UK: Hunting training by Fiona Lucas
Un carnet de travail: pour obtenir le BCE



A Barbet Moderne cut: Molly Mae
Before and after: Thelma and Coccolina 2012
Grooming Tools
The Barboch cut with photos: a working cut


Toutes les nouvelles

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In the land of the Labradoodles, anything is possible! envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 18/01/2012 @ 21:01

what did I tell you?! Would I lie?
Why pay for a dog with a registered pedigree? You can spend much more!

Gamekeepers and Kennels in the UK or elsewhere? envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 18/01/2012 @ 13:16
Scroll down the page and you will see a photo of one. If anyone has any info on these kennels that were all over the UK, I'd be happy to find out which breed they raised and if they were registered at the Kennel Club, and if the fact that they weren't made them worth less than the purest breed they probably were. The dogs which were at the Ayme brothers, in Graveson France were destined for hunting and gamekeepers of the big MAS, all over the south of France and had Barbet type dogs, between 1940 and 1970 were as pure as pure could be. Why should it have been any different in France?

A Barbet meeting's objective? envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 18/01/2012 @ 08:36
We all know how many crossing were turned in to purebred status overnight and we all know that is not possible. When I have tried to ask for details, I have gotten none. And of course, no cooperation...

So, I laugh whern I see that the breed is coming of age after F1. That is simply not possible.

There are very few photos available of the breedings of the Modern Barbet and quite impossible to see progeny produced over generations, or even litters at 1 to 2 years of age when they really look like what their ancestors looked like! Spanish Water Dog, Portuguese Water Dog ( dead givaway is the tail)or Poodles ( tail and ears,thin head, fine structure and bushy coat) All puppies look alike so that says nothing, so easy to show them when they're small...then most of the dogs disappear into oblivion.A color is not a gage of anything, or is it?

The crossing of a "Barbet" issued from already a cross including a Spanish Water dog onto a Pont Audemer being called a pure Barbet? Ludicrous.
That has got to stop! That is an insult to the breed and breeders working hard for the survival of the breed and not thier pocketbook ( porte-monnaie)

The reason why we need a breeding plan is because without some will continue making F1 generations and nothing else obviously for financial gain and not for the survival of the breed. Those are matters to be considered. I can't afford 2400 SwissFrancs( an imposed price by the club for any breeding) for a dog when I sell mine NOW for 1250€(for most) with a SCC quotation and all the work I do.
But I have also been told, " if someone is stupid enough to pay it..." People do pay horrendous sums of money for Labradoodles, so..

Getting back to more concrete plans for our breed:Who can do this below with the Barbet? Obviously not our Barbet club, because it would have been done a long time ago, don't you think?

Mind boggling. envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 17/01/2012 @ 20:56

Eureka. Thanks to this photo shared by Juan M SWD aficionado in Spain,(on Facebook)... My thinking went one step further...and ended up reading about Pointers in a book given to me by JG.( F Méry, LE CHIEN) This kennel being somewhere in the UK..but then it could be anywhere!!
I quote:" Amost all BIG British families had their own kennels, where dogs were very well kept. The different families didn't exchange dogs.
It's difficult to find their ancestry in "modern pedigrees". The gamekeeper, who was a very important figure at the time, was hardly worried about establishing formal written pedigrees."

I say, if this is true in the UK, why can't it be true in France where some so-called pseudo historians are making such an issue about the Barbet having been extinct from 1940 to 1970 rather than promote what barbet blood was left on earth as in any other breed one loved and worked for the survival of...? Now why couldn't anyone doing research in the UK, come up with this slight detail that is worth a lot in the history of a breed and even moreso for the Barbet??????? It has always been logical for me and I have said over and over that this was the case in the south of France in Graveson. So, the few dogs remaining in the 1980's had Barbet blood in them. That should be great news, shouldn't it? Or subject for another issue?

A subject to discuss at the meeting?

Help the breed survive! envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 16/01/2012 @ 21:44
My usual appeals for help needed are generally fruitful when I ask here, much faster return than on Facebook, where many disappear when asked questions!

I have read somewhere that for a rare breed like ours, to guarantee its survival, meaning after us... we need 8 or 10 different lines.
I have a feeling we are very very far from that ever becoming a reality.
Meaning we are also very far from the survival of the Barbet.

Does anyone know and if so, I thank you in advance.

Thanks, Tomasz:

It was in the genetic diversity study of G Leroy.

" Such a lack of variability could be avoided if the breeding would be more rationally organized within the BARbet breed. In this study, it was not possible to have complete data from the national pedigree file about the breeders. However, according to the breed club, not more than eight breeders produce litters but none regularly, explaining the fact that only three breeders produced a litter in 2004. This fact and the difficulty of finding owners of few related dogs and convincing them to use it for mating, are the main obstacles to a better management of genetic variability."

Males are used and re-used with no real logic or anything to help the breed 's development.
We have statistics that will be shows at some point about males used, 4 5 6 times...
It will be interesting to see what has changed between the study being published and today, as all that data is now compiled and will be available.

Floirac Déjà Vue: SCC selection grid 3/6 envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 16/01/2012 @ 21:35

I am proud to announce that Floirac aka Froguette has reache at age 1.5 the 3/6 quotation on the SCC selection grid.
Special real "thank you" to Anne Plomb for having handled her in Paris last summer...when I was lucky enough to strain a muscle on my leg.

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