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A,B,C: Vieux Barbet Français

H: history
K: for George Orwell and the Old Barbet!
M: measure
S: standard
A: Authentic Barbet or Vieux Barbet Français
B: Barbet Moderne, son histoire depuis 1980
B: Breeding, studs and the likes!
B: blogs to keep up with
B:Bibliography and links
Barbet heads, eyes and noses?
Barbets and other water dogs...
Barbets en Bresse, France
Breeding rules: FCI
C: conversion table
C:Crossbreeding R Triquet
Color genetics
Diversité génétique d'une race rare
E: Education
F: FAULTS according to the standard
F:Facts and fallacies about the Barbet
G: Georgy spiritual father of the Barbet
G: Griffon Barbet
H: Health matters
H: Hipscore Dysplasia
H: history Barbet Moderne
Health reference websites: hips etc
I: Inbreeding
K: Kennel blindness
L: Lexicologie Barbet
L: letter from the President of the SCC as proof-preuve
L:LOF Barbets since the beginning
M: breeders' meeting 2009
P: Poodle History Project
P: Poodle history
P: Purest
P: poodle health registry
P:Pedigree databases updated 5/11
P:Photos to depict the standard
Psychological warfare or breed rape? 0411
R: Rare or nearly extinct breeds
Radio des hanches: ce qu'il faut faire avec la radio officielle 3/11
Rassemblement: Meeting Barbets 2012 French& English
S: Shopping!
S: Study of our pedigrees- Spanish Water Dog
S: study of our pedigrees - Poodles
S: study of our pedigrees- Portuguese water dogs
S:Selection grid/Grille de Sélection
old club site


Old Lines and new crosses

Barbet x Irish Water Spaniel
Barbet/ Irish Water Spaniel
Barbonus: line 4 fawn
Bloodline 1: Le Houelleur (de Floirac)
History, shepherds and Barbets
In French, on Pronatura: 3 bloodlines
Portuguese water dog and pedigree database
Spanish Water Dog line and pedigree database
Wycliffe and the Barbet modern: poodle database
bb x swd


Videos Galore

A pup of Colleen's in Scandinavia
B: Barbets live and in colors!
Caya and the ocean
Disco and Rocket
Eho Santiano in the Netherlands
Flashdance and her mirabelle de Savoie...
From Cressat, France
Le Barbet au CGA 2011
My 3 males together
Plum picker uppers!
Yatzie and my girls!


Working Barbets

Barbet de chasse: Malher
Bibiche di Barbochos de Reiau de Prouvenco
Booly Wooly
Crotté comme un Barbet: Lucrezia Borgia
Détails du BTE/BCE
Le travail à l'eau
My Barbets at work: a sampling
Mère et fils: duck duo!
Poppenspaler's Vincacao
Thelma de la perte aux loups
UK: Hunting training by Fiona Lucas
Un carnet de travail: pour obtenir le BCE



A Barbet Moderne cut: Molly Mae
Before and after: Thelma and Coccolina 2012
Grooming Tools
The Barboch cut with photos: a working cut


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Curly or wavy: it's the morphology that counts.. envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 10/08/2009 @ 08:10
And the blood, of course.

Poodlebarbet or Grand Barbet (line6 of neo- Barbets) and Barbet français ( line 3, the rarest)

The Barbet Français is the ancestor to not only the poodle, but the Briard and the Griffon Korthals and many others, so it is not unusual to have them come out of the past and bless us with their old Barbet bloodline...As you will see also the recent redipping with a Spanish water dog has given some carbon copies of ..........Spanish water dogs.

The holidays of Mr Bounty di Barbochos de Reiau de Prouvenco envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 10/08/2009 @ 08:01

Finland:Thara strikes again! envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 10/08/2009 @ 07:46
Mäntyharju dogshow BOB (judge: Jaana Hartus (FIN) ) and later on she was also Best In Group 2!

Not just numbers! envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 09/08/2009 @ 12:58

The main question before a mating would be: "What is this dog going to bring/ improve/continue in the line of dogs I am working with"?

Call your bluff and raise 10. envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 08/08/2009 @ 17:01
For those who (still) don't understand what a Barbet français is a Griffon Barbet, the historical Griffon Barbet for whom the standard was written in 1891. That's all.

Awards of Joyeuse du Mas de la Chapelle, a Barbet d'arrêt Français

A Griffon Barbet that we can no longer call Barbet d'arrêt* français so that we are just left with the Barbet français that M Le Houelleur, Floirac bloodline, in the 20's
Dr Vincenti Mas de la Chapelle bloodline in the 30's
Mrs Pêtre, his daughter, from 1970 onwards and with the Barbochos de reiau de prouvenco kennel name, along with M Ayme, M Séguéla( de Vernelle kennel name) spent 20 + years trying to save from extinction.

We are left with their heritage of a dog with a long history( that started with it being a poodle) that we must treat with respect and try to keep alive. NOT in any ol'way but making sure the standard is respected along with its main points that include the morphology and making sure we add barbet blood back into it.

These are the bloodlines that M Georgii tried to carry on by adding from different water dog breeds to continue the barbet Français, not create another breed. Had he had more people working with him, as opposed to against him in the 90's?....There was no one on his side at that time...Any dogs "created" needed to have Barbet blood put into the F2's and F3's which many didn't do and arbitrarily put poodle back on them.

No one, but the 3 of them ever worked together and all of the other breeders from the 90's were totally against them.

The text below was written in 2003 by Mrs Loiseau, the French version follows.
Page 2 of 2.( yes, there is a page one, but it's the same story as on the Seguéla Barbet website,(from the homepage, on the left, under "origines récentes") the text highlighted in yellow):

..There is of course this German breeder who is creating all the controversy, but rightly so, the “creator of the Barbet” does not want his Barbet-poodle image dulled by “Griffon Barbets”.
The war won’t be able to last for centuries because the Barbet will be extinct on one side and on the other and that’s the reason why we are fighting in our own way to have recognition that the Barbet left for us by the breeders of the 19th century was not a poodle and certainly not a modern poodle, but a medium sized dog, with a wavy coat that was sometimes curly, that he had not disappeared and that we must absolutely use him( the Griffon Barbet) with the Hermans Barbet-poodle for the breed to survive.**

Don’t be mistaken that if Hermans modified the standard that existed since 1897, twice: in 1986 and 1999 it is not only because the Barbet had evolved as all others breeds have, but ONLY so that the dogs produced by this German breeder could not ever be confirmed in France and therefore not allowed to be mated with dogs he dare qualify as “ Selection Hermans Barbets”. As you have read it here, this is the truth, nothing but the truth; Hermans only has to his honor, having bought a dog called Ulyssia from Mrs Bisconte and the mating of this dog with a black Grand caniche.
After that the breeders had to work everything out alone...

The worst this person has done will not have had negative consequences on the breed because the Barbetcaniche he produced mated with Georgii’s GRIFFON Barbet has taken place in several countries in Europe and in the USA and Canada where I think they will carry on.**

No, the worse damage is in our heads and in our hearts because I feel ire and disdain for a breeder who is under his charm, standing firmy behind his opinion, and which will lead him straight into the wall and that this breeder also hates me.

The Barbet does not come out of this affair in a better position...

I believe that this email is going to go straight to this particular breeder and the war will go on.
But that’s too bad, because I said what I had to say.
We’ll see in the long run, what happens...
This was written 17/10/03 by Mrs Loiseau.

Pearls of wisdom from the wise.
* The Barbet was taken out of the 7th group of gun dogs, pointing dogs. "Arrêt" meaning "pointing". When in the 20's a Braque d'Auvergne was added to the barbet it was to help it with its pointing ability. This is what all breeds have done.It is nothing unusual.
** 6 years later, we can see that is not what happened.

Trash can Barbet? Barbet poubelle? envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 08/08/2009 @ 13:14
We can only pray that all the countries who produce Barbets, France included start working on common objectives as opposed to each country arbitrarily deciding what a French dog with a French standard is supposed to look like, for lack of any help from official authorities and not beack seat drivers''',or on their own at the corner of a fireplace..there is enough information out there and those who can't read English can look at pictures. That's as easy as asking a closed question to which an answer is "yes" or "no".
There are people out there making Barbets without Barbet blood better that those who are registered as such. Scary, because some do look really nice!

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