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A,B,C: Vieux Barbet Français

H: history
K: for George Orwell and the Old Barbet!
M: measure
S: standard
A: Authentic Barbet or Vieux Barbet Français
B: Barbet Moderne, son histoire depuis 1980
B: Breeding, studs and the likes!
B: blogs to keep up with
B:Bibliography and links
Barbet heads, eyes and noses?
Barbets and other water dogs...
Barbets en Bresse, France
Breeding rules: FCI
C: conversion table
C:Crossbreeding R Triquet
Color genetics
Diversité génétique d'une race rare
E: Education
F: FAULTS according to the standard
F:Facts and fallacies about the Barbet
G: Georgy spiritual father of the Barbet
G: Griffon Barbet
H: Health matters
H: Hipscore Dysplasia
H: history Barbet Moderne
Health reference websites: hips etc
I: Inbreeding
K: Kennel blindness
L: Lexicologie Barbet
L: letter from the President of the SCC as proof-preuve
L:LOF Barbets since the beginning
M: breeders' meeting 2009
P: Poodle History Project
P: Poodle history
P: Purest
P: poodle health registry
P:Pedigree databases updated 5/11
P:Photos to depict the standard
Psychological warfare or breed rape? 0411
R: Rare or nearly extinct breeds
Radio des hanches: ce qu'il faut faire avec la radio officielle 3/11
Rassemblement: Meeting Barbets 2012 French& English
S: Shopping!
S: Study of our pedigrees- Spanish Water Dog
S: study of our pedigrees - Poodles
S: study of our pedigrees- Portuguese water dogs
S:Selection grid/Grille de Sélection
old club site


Old Lines and new crosses

Barbet x Irish Water Spaniel
Barbet/ Irish Water Spaniel
Barbonus: line 4 fawn
Bloodline 1: Le Houelleur (de Floirac)
History, shepherds and Barbets
In French, on Pronatura: 3 bloodlines
Portuguese water dog and pedigree database
Spanish Water Dog line and pedigree database
Wycliffe and the Barbet modern: poodle database
bb x swd


Videos Galore

A pup of Colleen's in Scandinavia
B: Barbets live and in colors!
Caya and the ocean
Disco and Rocket
Eho Santiano in the Netherlands
Flashdance and her mirabelle de Savoie...
From Cressat, France
Le Barbet au CGA 2011
My 3 males together
Plum picker uppers!
Yatzie and my girls!


Working Barbets

Barbet de chasse: Malher
Bibiche di Barbochos de Reiau de Prouvenco
Booly Wooly
Crotté comme un Barbet: Lucrezia Borgia
Détails du BTE/BCE
Le travail à l'eau
My Barbets at work: a sampling
Mère et fils: duck duo!
Poppenspaler's Vincacao
Thelma de la perte aux loups
UK: Hunting training by Fiona Lucas
Un carnet de travail: pour obtenir le BCE



A Barbet Moderne cut: Molly Mae
Before and after: Thelma and Coccolina 2012
Grooming Tools
The Barboch cut with photos: a working cut


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Lazing and pondering the past on a sunny August morning envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 02/08/2011 @ 07:22

Computer not coming home today...patience is a virtue among others like trust and friendship, eh?

Key words in statistics yesterday:
Wycliffe poodle, and standard of the Wycliff poodle? The Wycliffe poodle had no particular standard.
AND most amazing: 13 visitors from Switzerland(as opposed to the normal 4/5)many people not thinking the origins of the breed are...French!

I have covered that information several times on this site.
How about taking a look at the link about the black poodles that Wycliffe has produced and comparing with some of our pedigrees who go back to the T year of Wycliffe?

My point here is, IF work had been done intelligently years ago, we would not suffer right now from the overwhelming poodle influence on the Barbet.On the other hand, there was no access to DNA as it is the case now for the Chien de Crau, alas.

I strongly suggest re-reading what Ms Loiseau (a modern barbet expert)wrote in 2001 and published on the Seguela Barbet website. That is factual information and has not changed, regardless of it being largely ignored today by newcomers to the breed.
Then, on the left scroll down to HISTORIQUE/ Origines récentes/ and you will have the page in French, go to bottom and there you can click on English version. It is readable.It is true and no one has written anything else better(or more intelligent) to this date.

Lastly,in 2005 or so, when Grégoire Leroy did the research on the genetic diversity of the Barbet, which is also very high, his objective was not to prouve that the line went back to the 30's, but to tell us that we had a very diversified breed...
You can find his work on the net very easily and it's good reading for some who need it.
As far as tracing back to the roots of the breed, you need facts and documents that are only in French so not many foreigners who claim expertise in the breed should be allowed to make those "off the cuff" claims. Internet as a base of research ...hum?

Most of that information about the breed, meaning the "Vieux Barbet/Authentic Barbet/Old Bloodlines" is in my hands, given to me by:
Mrs Pêtre ( Barbochos Reiau de Prouvenco)
She is also speaking for her father, Dr Vincenti ( Mas de la Chapelle)
The descendants of M. Le Houelleur (Floirac kennels)
The descendants of the Ayme family
M Georgii and his companion Mrs Inge Fischer (Poppenspaler's)
M Seguela (

Therefore, we can safely conclude that the information first hand has been mine, as these people have not been ever contacted by anyone doing their own proper research("historiens en herbe"pseudo-historians,), I have done all the groundwork and very easily ( non-scientifically) interpreted or misinterpreted by others who have simply stolen it off my sites to attack the breed.

Trying to save a breed that doesn't have any Barbet blood defeats the purpose, there are hundreds of thousands of poodles worldwide and not in danger of extinction and if many Barbets look like poodles, then they are not running out of stock and riding a wave that is not theirs. Wearing a zootsuit at a dogshow does not make the given Barbet have more barbet blood. The show results were good for some over-inflated egos, but not the breed and its survival.

Lastly, in 2005/2006 it was not public information that there was SWD etc in the "Barbet"...or anything else. That has come out in very recent years, some not being very happy about it.

I am hoping that one day, we will be able to have concrete information about the genetic composition of a dog...and identify the % of poodle, SWD each dog and with photos to back up the research, it will make it very easy, or easier to understnad wich "part" of the breed is threatened with extinction!

The Chien de Crau has no club envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 01/08/2011 @ 12:31
I would say that you would have to wonder if the Barbet didn't have a club, if it would be better off?

I am still computer-less, but rumors get around the world and come back. Results from French Championship and WDS, not really good for the breed...overall.
When you look at the Chien de Crau whose standard has not even been approuved yet, and they already have help, you wonder.

Many judges have not a clue what they are supposed to judge and it makes you think that some can't read a standard.
More when I get my computer back

The charm of 3 envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 27/07/2011 @ 11:17

From C to G de la serve de la Chapelle d'Alexandre envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 27/07/2011 @ 11:10

Caya Gandar

More fame for our Barbet national! envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 27/07/2011 @ 11:08

Must say that at least now, no one says that they look like poodles...except for Guyguy, "pourquoi il n'est pas pareil?" ( "why isn't he the same?" is what I generally hear)!

Fame? envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 25/07/2011 @ 20:16

What's funny is you realise that a lot of people read the newspaper!

This is just before we went to Paris with Paula and Jennifer.
I am known as the "lady with the dogs". claim to fame?

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