Computer not coming home today...patience is a virtue among others like trust and friendship, eh?
Key words in statistics yesterday:
Wycliffe poodle, and standard of the Wycliff poodle? The Wycliffe poodle had no particular standard.
AND most amazing: 13 visitors from Switzerland(as opposed to the normal 4/5)many people not thinking the origins of the breed are...French!
I have covered that information several times on this site.
How about taking a look at the link about the black poodles that Wycliffe has produced and comparing with some of our pedigrees who go back to the T year
My point here is, IF work had been done intelligently years ago, we would not suffer right now from the overwhelming poodle influence on the Barbet.On the other hand, there was no access to DNA as it is the case now for the Chien de Crau, alas.
I strongly suggest re-reading what Ms Loiseau (a modern barbet expert)wrote in 2001 and published on the Seguela Barbet website. That is factual information and has not changed, regardless of it being largely ignored today by newcomers to the breed.
Then, on the left scroll down to HISTORIQUE/ Origines récentes/ and you will have the page in French, go to bottom and there you can click on English version. It is readable.It is true and no one has written anything else better(or more intelligent) to this date.
Lastly,in 2005 or so, when Grégoire Leroy did the research on the genetic diversity of the Barbet, which is also very high, his objective was not to prouve that the line went back to the 30's, but to tell us that we had a very diversified breed...
You can find his work on the net very easily and it's good reading for some who need it.
As far as tracing back to the roots of the breed, you need facts and documents that are only in French so not many foreigners who claim expertise in the breed should be allowed to make those "off the cuff" claims. Internet as a base of research ...hum?
Most of that information about the breed, meaning the "Vieux Barbet/Authentic Barbet/Old Bloodlines" is in my hands
, given to me by:
Mrs Pêtre ( Barbochos Reiau de Prouvenco)
She is also speaking for her father, Dr Vincenti ( Mas de la Chapelle)
The descendants of M. Le Houelleur (Floirac kennels)
The descendants of the Ayme family
M Georgii and his companion Mrs Inge Fischer (Poppenspaler's)
M Seguela ( Barbet.free.fr)
Therefore, we can safely conclude that the information first hand has been mine, as these people have not been ever contacted by anyone doing their own proper research("historiens en herbe"pseudo-historians,), I have done all the groundwork and very easily ( non-scientifically) interpreted or misinterpreted by others who have simply stolen it off my sites to attack the breed.
Trying to save a breed that doesn't have any Barbet blood defeats the purpose, there are hundreds of thousands of poodles worldwide and not in danger of extinction and if many Barbets look like poodles, then they are not running out of stock and riding a wave that is not theirs. Wearing a zootsuit at a dogshow does not make the given Barbet have more barbet blood. The show results were good for some over-inflated egos, but not the breed and its survival.
Lastly, in 2005/2006 it was not public information that there was SWD etc in the "Barbet"...or anything else. That has come out in very recent years, some not being very happy about it.
I am hoping that one day, we will be able to have concrete information about the genetic composition of a dog...and identify the % of poodle, SWD etc...in each dog and with photos to back up the research, it will make it very easy, or easier to understnad wich "part" of the breed is threatened with extinction!