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A,B,C: Vieux Barbet Français

H: history
K: for George Orwell and the Old Barbet!
M: measure
S: standard
A: Authentic Barbet or Vieux Barbet Français
B: Barbet Moderne, son histoire depuis 1980
B: Breeding, studs and the likes!
B: blogs to keep up with
B:Bibliography and links
Barbet heads, eyes and noses?
Barbets and other water dogs...
Barbets en Bresse, France
Breeding rules: FCI
C: conversion table
C:Crossbreeding R Triquet
Color genetics
Diversité génétique d'une race rare
E: Education
F: FAULTS according to the standard
F:Facts and fallacies about the Barbet
G: Georgy spiritual father of the Barbet
G: Griffon Barbet
H: Health matters
H: Hipscore Dysplasia
H: history Barbet Moderne
Health reference websites: hips etc
I: Inbreeding
K: Kennel blindness
L: Lexicologie Barbet
L: letter from the President of the SCC as proof-preuve
L:LOF Barbets since the beginning
M: breeders' meeting 2009
P: Poodle History Project
P: Poodle history
P: Purest
P: poodle health registry
P:Pedigree databases updated 5/11
P:Photos to depict the standard
Psychological warfare or breed rape? 0411
R: Rare or nearly extinct breeds
Radio des hanches: ce qu'il faut faire avec la radio officielle 3/11
Rassemblement: Meeting Barbets 2012 French& English
S: Shopping!
S: Study of our pedigrees- Spanish Water Dog
S: study of our pedigrees - Poodles
S: study of our pedigrees- Portuguese water dogs
S:Selection grid/Grille de Sélection
old club site


Old Lines and new crosses

Barbet x Irish Water Spaniel
Barbet/ Irish Water Spaniel
Barbonus: line 4 fawn
Bloodline 1: Le Houelleur (de Floirac)
History, shepherds and Barbets
In French, on Pronatura: 3 bloodlines
Portuguese water dog and pedigree database
Spanish Water Dog line and pedigree database
Wycliffe and the Barbet modern: poodle database
bb x swd


Videos Galore

A pup of Colleen's in Scandinavia
B: Barbets live and in colors!
Caya and the ocean
Disco and Rocket
Eho Santiano in the Netherlands
Flashdance and her mirabelle de Savoie...
From Cressat, France
Le Barbet au CGA 2011
My 3 males together
Plum picker uppers!
Yatzie and my girls!


Working Barbets

Barbet de chasse: Malher
Bibiche di Barbochos de Reiau de Prouvenco
Booly Wooly
Crotté comme un Barbet: Lucrezia Borgia
Détails du BTE/BCE
Le travail à l'eau
My Barbets at work: a sampling
Mère et fils: duck duo!
Poppenspaler's Vincacao
Thelma de la perte aux loups
UK: Hunting training by Fiona Lucas
Un carnet de travail: pour obtenir le BCE



A Barbet Moderne cut: Molly Mae
Before and after: Thelma and Coccolina 2012
Grooming Tools
The Barboch cut with photos: a working cut


Toutes les nouvelles

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How some things never change...2009 and now! envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 25/02/2012 @ 22:15

Same dogs, same clothes, same everything,'s that for stability?

Barbet kamasutra: Finland envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 24/02/2012 @ 12:21

Yes, you are seeing this right...Ursus is under Rölli.

Amazing how he does remind you of the Chien de Crau. Ursus di Barbochos Reiau de Prouvenco is one of the 4 purest Barbets left in the world.

Hopefully, this creative mating will work and that puppies can come of this duo. Rölli ( Nelum Himalis Braise) had a very nice litter with Ursus's brother Ulysse, who lives in Switzerland, so...

The symposium or Barbet meeting envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 24/02/2012 @ 11:49
For more than a year now, we/ some of us, had been discussing the possibility of going to the SCC with dogs from all walks of Barbet to find out what was right or wrong with our work.

Knowing that the standard was going to be modified and that we would be put in from of the "fait accompli" as in 2006 when the standard modifications were approved and rushed to the SCC and FCI, time was ticking.

Just about impossible to get anyone to accept to talk about the breed itself and not feel threatened about THEIR personal breeding, there had to be a has been the case on any forum where everything degenerates, with not many or none haveing any scientif documents or having done any reasearch on 1940 1970 and beyond.

We had one person at the club, trying to think of solutions for us, for the breed, but him being a "non" elected person he was told to take a hike, as he had no rights to expresse self.

So, what to do? Go higher and ask...which is what I did and was backed up by our VP who fought tooth and nail to get the club to accept the symposium, which was not easy.
I had told "them" that if they wanted to see a variety of dogs, I would jump in my car with 8 to 10 and drive to the SCC in Paris and so Could some others...then,
I was told on that day in Lyon, that if we wanted help, the club would have to ask, and I knew that would never happen, since it never had.

However, my plea was heard and the matter was discussed at the SCC weekly meeting and they apparently along with our VP, managed to convince the club to do something.Finally.

That is the reason why Dr Geissant was empowered to organize the symposium.The letters are published.

It is going to cost an arm and a leg and the SCC will not help financially, but it will take place and that is also the reason why you are asked to send in questions and sign up.

There will not be a free for all slander session taking place, but a meeting with civilized peopel working for a breed called the Barbet.
So please send in your questions to the Pdt of the french
Barbet club
and just in case they don't get there, put Dr Geissant, VP in copy.

As usual, transparence is the key word.

I am also hoping that the article is written and published about hipscores, but I don't feel I can contact the person to ask him..;so wait and see. That took place on the same day and that is why you were all asked to send the info to our VP, knowing what had happened before with some forked tongues.
All make sense now?

Barbet: his tories envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 24/02/2012 @ 10:53
I have compiled "his" stories of the Barbet as found on different sites, mostly club sites and when you read them there is as much diversity as there is in the breed. Had the work been done properly to save the breed and not recreate it ,after some thorough research 30 years ago, we would not be in the situation we are in today. Of course, there are still people who say concentrations camps never imagine.

Ps: I am not yet finished with some "his"stories.

A Finnish publication on the Barbet envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 24/02/2012 @ 10:39

CH-Compay II sitting in front of the kennel de Floirac, M Le Houelleur breeder and SCC judge in the 1930's. Of course you know him if you know what a Barbet is and where it came from...!

Lurpa, is the magazine of the Finnish spaniel club and they were kind enough to ask me a few of which was the killer question:

What does the French SCC do to help rare breeds such as the Barbet?

So, Elaine said, "duh...I don't know."

But..."I will ask them".

After all, if no one asks, no one gets an answer. And so, on that bright morning of December 2011, at the Conference in Lyon where I was expecting to see masses of people breeders I knew and saw very very few, armed with my 4-page letter I had written to the SCC scientific commission, the standards commission, the president, thethethe... about how people were tinkering with our standard and that the standard was a matter for breeders to share the changes( I had a historical 1986 letter from Pr BD, saying that exact thing...had the rules changed since???)...and to ask how come it was only being modified again for sizes and how did "they" decide on the size? ( as planned in 2006 the sizes were to come down after having given breeders of very very tall dogs to make smaller ones, so no surprise)

and why colors????when no one seems qualified to do that.The responsible even admitting to it on her site.( since then I figured it out, from the UKC standard situation: meaning you eradicate colors and without mentionning sizes, you eradicate sizes too, because certain combinations will never throw those colors...sneaky, eh?)

Uphill all the way, to figure out these things that some master the art of. Then, shut up...because we( who is we is still not identified, alas) know more, more what?

Some of you have seen "the" letter, but not all as I have chosen not to share it except with trustworthy people referred to me. Well even that was too much as some took it and ran, pretending to not know anything and the same insults as usual happen.
Who are you to know nothing and I/we know it all, and the Barbet blablabla...
So, I say show me your work? Please share and not just on FB!

However, the Barbet is e French dog with a French standard. Said by someone else, it takes on more meaning. And after all who cares, who said it when we, and I say we, got what we wanted.
BUT, that too, is life.

And........again: Chien de Crau envoyé par Elaine Fichter le 24/02/2012 @ 09:59

I found out that the shepherd who owned this Chien de Crau had recently died of cancer. I do remember him. Sad.

That day, I started praying. Didn't know what for, then, but I started praying that at least in my lifetime, we would be able to prove that the Barbet was carefully worked on to save the breed from extinction and that the chien de Crau and the Vieux Barbet were related. Islam is coming out, and people can see it. A judge has the competences as a judge to recognize what breeds are in a given dog.It just takes sooooooo long for people to listen and accept facts. The Barbet IS a French breed and that has just been reminded to people by our breed club. Finally.
Of course, there are more and more barbets in other countries, but that does not make the breed less French and as it has also been said, the breed is deviating from the standard and that is not good for such a rare breed. I have been trying so hard to get that point across and FINALLY I was heard. I did not achiever this alone because me being nobody and many making it an objective to remind me of that fact, does not make it easy. Insults and mud slinging to not hear any truths....easy to do. I say....Documenting oneself makes one more competent than school yard feuds over a dog which is dying.

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